"On Tinder and Desirability" or PART TWO of Today in Book Seven: Reconstruction 2020

  • March 16, 2020, 12:33 p.m.
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I said I’d circle back around to “I’m still feeling… in quite the need to feel… desirable.” This is something that I’ve been thinking about this weekend because the experience is so… different and similar… to what I experienced before. And I’ve really been trying to put it into words.

When Martha was my wife, living in my home, part of my every day… there was a weight there. This dark, intangible, heavy feeling. This is a woman that has legally and spiritually contracted with me in such a way as to require my emotional and sexual fidelity. I am not permitted to seek sexual interaction with another without my wife’s express consent or a dissolution of the contract. As my wife has not and will not give consent; my sexual interactions must remain exclusively with her. HOWEVER she does not wish to engage in any form of interaction that makes me feel emotionally, intellectually, or sexually confident or comfortable. So, while she has taken on the role of WIFE, through neglect (whether by intent or not) I feel constantly, miserably undesirable.

So that was that heavy, dark, misery of undesirable.

Now? There is a… different sense to it. Feeling undesirable isn’t as oppressive but somehow feels more persistent. With Martha it was the constant reminder, this ever-present cloud over things that could change at some point but never seemed to. So it was oppressive but there were moments of interruption. Now there’s no one there. There isn’t this sense of “THIS is the woman you are with. SHE is your only option for sexual or romantic expression.” But at the same time that means there is no one there. There is this sense of “There is NO woman you are with. There are NO options for sexual or romantic expression.” And I do appreciate that I have so much support on-line. Many of you have been kind enough to express positive things about me. Whether commenting on my attractiveness, or my kindness, or my intelligence. I see and appreciate what you’re saying. But I hope you don’t take offense when I say… it is considerably different.

The idea that IF you weren’t happily married or IF you were within 300 miles or IF you were twenty years younger… I mean, I appreciate all of that. I do. But I hope it makes logical sense that none of it comes even close to comparing to “woman who can drive to a bar and hold my hand” or things like that. Maybe I’m just being picky, old fashioned, or an asshole but… that’s kind of how I feel. Feeling desirable stems from being desired in a substantial way. And I want to say this… I actually LIKE how I look these days. I’m happier about my life and myself than I’ve been in many months! So this isn’t a “I just need to buck up” kind of thing. This is more of a… want to be in a situation where desire or attraction are present.

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That being said? I do have some things to discuss about my recent Dating App experiences.

(1) After having searched through multiple dating apps and dating app profiles, I appreciate that a part of the process is “the quick weed out”. There are those who would simply “swipe right” on everyone but… I’ve never been that kind of person and I don’t blame people for NOT being that kind of person. So there are legitimately acceptable “standards” to use as one searches through dating profiles. My own may seem shallow but I have good/acceptable justifications:

(A) If a person’s profile starts as “A simple country girl”, I will swipe left. I’ve dated women who consider themselves “simple country girl” and while we make good friends, we rarely make good romantic partners. A “simple country girl” might have more in common with me than I give her credit for… but, in my experience, it is rarely the case that someone whose FIRST DESCRIPTION is “simple country girl” is as eager to debate/investigate intellectual, spiritual pursuits and/or contemplate the universe from various and differing perspectives.

(B) If one of the first things mentioned on their profile is an “absolute love and adoration for country music,” I will swipe left. I appreciate that all music has value. There are many country songs that I enjoy. But it is quite honestly the last music I would settle on were I looking for music. And while music preference is certainly NOT a defining characteristic of a person; if an individual is using that as their Profile Descriptor… that does suggest that Country Music is a big part of their personality. Give me Mahler, give me Beethoven, give me Bone Thugz, give me Tupac, give me Disturbed, give me Korn, give me Mariah Carey, give me Idina Menzel, give me Baby Metal, give me Daft Punk… give me all of it… but I have rarely if ever found myself in the mood for Blake Shelton.

(C) If a majority of their pictures involve dead things, I will swipe left. This may seem hypocritical. My family hunts and I am going on a fishing trip this summer… so the presence of dead animals (fishing/hunting) on a dating profile shouldn’t be an auto-no from me, one might suggest. But of course it is when you consider my interaction with those elements of my family. My father and brother hunt. And yet they have never even ASKED ME to join them, let alone had me come along. Because they know that while I may thoroughly enjoy eating meat… I’m not at all thrilled to wake up at 4 a.m. to use the latest technology to destroy an animal. NOW, I do support hunting. There are a lot of IMPORTANT reasons to hunt and I’ll never criticize a hunter. It just… it isn’t something I’m bloody interested in doing. And as to fishing? When my father asked me about the fishing trip this summer… he specifically stated I was not “required to fish” and instead “could read the whole time” if I wanted to. So again, while I do fish once in a blue moon… and have actually won a trophy for it once upon a time… it is in absolutely NO way how I would define myself. A woman with a dead fish picture, swipe left… a woman reading a book picture, swipe right.

(D) If the profile description opens with the phrase “I am (fill in the blank) so swipe left if (fill in the blank).” Call me judgmental but profile descriptions ARE first impressions (of a sort). And if my first impression of you is, “I’m bitter and fuck you if you can’t accept me”… that seems like a pretty terrible first impression that I have no interest in pursuing, thanks kindly. Because the NON bitter way of that? Just state what/who you are. “I am vegan.” Leave it at that. Or “I am Wiccan.” Leave it at that. To go the next step of “So swipe left if you’re a carnivore” or “So swipe left if you’re bothered by that” or anything like that? Uhm… if someone was bothered by that… and read your profile… and wasn’t an asshole… wouldn’t they swipe left anyway? The telling me to swipe left if phrase structure just makes the user seem… angry or bitter or y’know… just someone I’m not super interested in getting to know right now, y’know?

(2) I will say, after reviewing a lot of different dating profiles, I have noticed certain “repeated things”. Either phrases that became popular so used in lots of profiles, or the existence of bots using similar statements, or whatever the case may be. The four most common things I find?
(A) Touch my butt and buy me tacos
(B) I’m into good books, good exercise, and anal
(C) Do NOT SWIPE RIGHT if under 5‘11!!
(D) Add me on Insta/Snapchat as I don’t check this app often!
I’ve… no idea why those four things have become so common but… it truly makes me feel like that is deep BOT Territory. Or scam territory. Or just… stupid kids hoping to become Internet Famous. I find it… disappointing.

(3) I’ve been debating with myself on an experiment of sorts. Maybe “experiment” is the wrong word. But I want to use this Prosebox space to maybe… maximize my understanding and analysis of how to Date in the modern times. And I had an idea… but I’m not sure how appropriate it would be. It would essentially be a two-step Friends Only Entry. Step One would be to share a collection of my images that I use on these websites and share what things I share about Profile, Location, Etc. Then kind of crowd source “a better profile” from there. Step Two is where I worry about how appropriate this action would be. Because there are two sides of a dating app. And no matter how brilliant one side may be… the other side counts. So… would it be inappropriate to screen cap the images/profiles of the people I’m “swiping right on” and share those in a Friends Only Entry to see if I’m… I don’t know… selecting women way out of my league… or selecting obvious bots… or why it is that I consistently get zero matches?? Because I don’t want to be an asshole who violates people’s privacy… and I understand that there is an argument to be made that sharing someone’s Internet Accessible Public Dating Profile in a Friends Only entry wouldn’t be a violation someone’s privacy but… I’d rather respect the concept and not be inappropriate if I can help it. Just… wondering. Please let me know what you think in the comments.

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Jafael March 16, 2020

I suspect you’ll have to find your conversation and intellectual needs somewhere other than dating apps. I’ve never heard anyone, anyone, tell me a happily ever after, or even a happily for a while come out of dating apps. I suspect a more targeted approach would work better for you. To find where the type of woman you do like and want is. Where are the conversations happening that you want to be having? From there you’ll make friends, and from friends you’ll find like-minded dates. As you’ve seen, dating apps are bot hell, and that’s not even the worst of it.

Perpetually Plump Jafael ⋅ March 16, 2020

I have at least a dozen friends whom have met their significant other or their spouse from dating apps.

I am 2 months shy of dating my current boyfriend for the past 3 years. I met him on OKCupid. We both fall into the category of intellectuals, and we fall way outside of the mainstream in our interests and hobbies. The long-term boyfriend I had prior to him, I also met on OkCupid. I'm sorry you've had such crappy experiences with dating apps, but I know a lot of success stories...

hot-lips Jafael ⋅ March 18, 2020

I also know a couple of happily ever after stories of couples who met via dating apps, while it’s a bit of a fickle way to meet people, this is the most popular way to meet someone these days.

Perpetually Plump March 16, 2020

I have a lot of the same "swipe left" criteria that you have. Simple. Country. God fearing. Religious. Looking for a woman to spoil. Etc, etc, etc. One of the challenges I've always had with online dating is that I am very intelligent and quite successful in life. I cannot date someone who cannot keep up with me intellectually. And being that I live in New Orleans, there are a good number of intellectuals here, at least. But there are also a lot of people in the food service industry and people who are want to be musicians. For me, I could not date somebody Who is a server and has an unstable income in unstable schedule. And I'm not into musicians, for many reasons, but also because they are often required to work late into the night, are often smokers, and are often heavy drinkers. I start work at 6:00 a.m. everyday, so I'm typically in bed no later than midnight. It's just too much of a difference in lifestyles for me. a huge challenge my boyfriend and I have had is that up until this past December, he worked almost every single weekend. we sort of had to snatch time where we could, and we didn't get a lot of time lying in bed together in the mornings, which is one of my favorite things to do. It's okay to be picky. It's okay to be selective. It's okay to find somebody that's in your league. But I do suggest for now that you just go out on some dates, play the field, and see what kind of stuff is out there.

I definitely think that you should post your profile and then also post the profiles of some of the girls that you're into. Some of us are top-notch at spotting bots and women who are full of it. I don't feel like it's an invasion of privacy, because if you're posting your profile in the internet, it's already out there...

hot-lips Perpetually Plump ⋅ March 18, 2020

Agree on so many points. While I’d like to think I’m not a snob, I also couldn’t date someone in the food/hospitality industry for example, mostly because the schedule is the complete opposite to mine. I think posting your profile and those that you’re going for is a good way to get feedback. Also, as I’ve mentioned before, if you’re not getting any matches after a while, I’m pretty sure the site buries your profile due to unpopularity or whatever reason. Delete and redownload.

Always Laughing March 16, 2020

I think sharing what you mentioned would be helpful for you.

Pennyworth's Ghost March 17, 2020

You have to be careful with this. I agree to the importance of having someone to converse with, but extrapolating that out to mean that you need to like the same music or have the same taste in television or whatever is probably a stretch. I would argue that having different superficial interests actually makes the shared activities - physical, emotional, conversational, sexual, more enjoyable, because they come from a place of not being connected all the time. You disconnect for a while, go do your own, exclusive thing, then reconnect again.

It also opens you up to the possibility that maybe there are some other good and beautiful things out there that you've never enjoyed or explored because they come lumped in with a bunch of other crap from the same genre. My wife really likes all kinds of anime, I was never all that into it, but we explored for a while and now I can say there are a few anime series that I deeply enjoy and appreciate. This never would have happened if I had insisted that the girls I date only watch the same shows that I like.

The other thing I wanted to mention is that you can work on yourself - your muscle tone, your skin, your grooming etc. now all without your wife giving you weird looks and having a bad attitude towards your efforts at self-improvement. A lot of times saying 'I want to feel desirable' really means 'I want to have confidence in myself', and there are assuredly several things you can do on your 'side' to help with that, none of which depend on a dating app or any kind of artificial validation coming from us or your friends.

It tracks with my past experience to hear about you feeling a bit lost right now, but I can promise you that the best is yet to come, as long as you stay open-minded, treat it like an adventure, and realize that improving your relationship with yourself is at least 80% of the battle.

hot-lips March 18, 2020 (edited March 18, 2020)

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“Touch my butt and buy me tacos”, hahahahaha! I’m no expert in female dating profiles, but pretty sure that’s not a well used slogan on this side of the world. 😂 Also, I’d encourage you to be open minded in who you swipe yes to. Sometimes what people write (or don’t write) on their profiles is not how they comes across in real life. If you meet and you’re not feeling the connection, great. You’ll know for next time what to hopefully avoid. Or you might be pleasantly surprised.

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