People are Stupid in Journal
- Feb. 6, 2022, 8:15 p.m.
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People are mean. People are defensive, agressive, ignorant and idiotic.
I feel ashamed. I feel greif. I feel that it should not be so.
But the evidence is overwhelming.
It seems that anything other is the exception.
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anticlimatic ⋅ February 07, 2022
We think people are bad or good, but really they are bad and good. Cheer up.
Miss Chiffs Manager anticlimatic ⋅ February 07, 2022
Idts. People operate on values. If their value is to be a sadist, or evil, then there is no good in that person.
anticlimatic Miss Chiffs Manager ⋅ February 07, 2022
Which are you then?
Miss Chiffs Manager anticlimatic ⋅ February 08, 2022
I am UPB compliant ;)
Which is to say, I am consistent with universal ethics. IE, I am good.
anticlimatic Miss Chiffs Manager ⋅ February 08, 2022
Completely harmless, are you?
Miss Chiffs Manager anticlimatic ⋅ February 09, 2022
Harmless?
What does harmless have to do with good or bad?
anticlimatic Miss Chiffs Manager ⋅ February 11, 2022
Causing harm is how we measure bad isn’t it?
Miss Chiffs Manager anticlimatic ⋅ February 11, 2022
Hm, no.
If I'm harmless I have no ability to be good or bad.
If I have restraint, discretion, and adherence to universal principles, then I am harmful to the ability of evil people to do evil.
anticlimatic Miss Chiffs Manager ⋅ February 11, 2022
Harming evil people is good, then?
Miss Chiffs Manager anticlimatic ⋅ February 12, 2022
Uh, no. :)
Harming their ability to do evil is good.
anticlimatic Miss Chiffs Manager ⋅ February 13, 2022
If the same ability can do both evil and good, is it still good to harm that ability?
Miss Chiffs Manager anticlimatic ⋅ February 13, 2022
No,
For the basic reason that evil is the harming of anyone's ability to choose either good or evil.
A good person does not harm anyone's ability to choose. We merely protect our own ability to choose from evil people. The power to protect oneself is harmful to the ability of evil people to remove choice.
anticlimatic Miss Chiffs Manager ⋅ February 13, 2022
If choosing is good, but harming the ability to choose (evil) is also good, how do the two principals coexist?
Miss Chiffs Manager anticlimatic ⋅ February 14, 2022
A good person does not harm the ability to choose evil.
A good person only harms evil people's ability to enact harm.
It is always good to preserve and enhance choice. Therefore, it is evil to remove or otherwise deminish choice.
anticlimatic Miss Chiffs Manager ⋅ February 14, 2022
Forgive the repetition, but how does restricting or removing the choice to enact harm fit with the preservation and enhancement of choice?
Miss Chiffs Manager anticlimatic ⋅ February 14, 2022
I think my lack of concrete examples is contributing to the confusion.
Allow me to provide the example of rape; a clearly immoral act which requires a criminal and a victim. The evil act is perpetrated by removing the victim's choice in whether they want sex or not.
Now the victim is neither good nor evil. Because their choice has been removed, morality does not apply. They are 100% a victim of an immoral act.
Good is the act of preserving and enhancing choice. Good is the action of self protection, or self protection kn behalf of another.
anticlimatic Miss Chiffs Manager ⋅ February 14, 2022
Ah, freedom and autonomy so long as it doesn’t impose on the freedom and autonomy of others.
Miss Chiffs Manager anticlimatic ⋅ February 15, 2022
Autonomy is necessary but not sufficient for good and evil. One may be autonomous and neither good nor evil, as in the example of a rape victim who has had their autonomous right of choice removed.
anticlimatic Miss Chiffs Manager ⋅ February 15, 2022
Let me try that again: choice is important, so long as the choice made preserves the ability of others to make choices- so long as those choices preserve the ability of others to also make choices- so long as THOSE choices preserve the ability of others to also also make choices- so long as…. <infinite repeat=""></infinite>
With only one “good” choice, what part of it is even a choice at all? Why defend choice as a concept if we are only defending conformity?
Miss Chiffs Manager anticlimatic ⋅ February 15, 2022
"choice is important as long as it preserves the ability of others to make choices-"
I'm always fascinated as to where the endless transfer of responsibility originates? I do not mean to sound critical at all. I'm genuinely, deeply curious.
I am also very aware that this comment/diary format is an exceedingly awkward platform for discussion.
With only one "good" choice- this is not accurate, and I apologize for being so bluntly direct with this. Choice is infinite. It is, as I alluded to but never explained, a choice to acknowledge the principle of self ownership. Or to avoid this knowledge. Or to avoid any knowledge of morality whatever. A person who chooses to not think, though, is reducing their number and quality of choices available to them.
anticlimatic Miss Chiffs Manager ⋅ February 15, 2022
Please elaborate on what you mean by "transfer of responsibility" if you don't mind.
No apologies necessary! Though I appreciate your respect for my feelings. Know it's reciprocated.
Miss Chiffs Manager anticlimatic ⋅ February 15, 2022
This is very difficult to explain without an understanding of where you're coming from and what you understand...
But... If the only importance in a choice is whether it impacts another's choice, then that is not a requisite for universal good.
An example would be of a non-violent drug addict. They are not making choices which directly reduce the choice of others. But, they have failed to preserve their own choices. And the preservation of one's own free will must take precident over the preservation of others, or no value at all is possible. It takes free will to respect free will so to speak.
anticlimatic Miss Chiffs Manager ⋅ February 15, 2022 (edited February 15, 2022)
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Philosophically speaking, I'm an existentialist. Morally speaking, my jury is usually out. Sometimes I find merit in the various moral systems of man, sometimes I change my mind on those merits. It's an interest. I just don't believe people are good or evil, I think they are both depending on what affecting influences their environments have had on them. And influences change.
Miss Chiffs Manager anticlimatic ⋅ February 13, 2022
And, just wanted to thank you for the clarifying questions. I find it refreshing and enjoyable.
And, I'm curious of what has been your experience of this exchange?
anticlimatic Miss Chiffs Manager ⋅ February 13, 2022
I always enjoy discussions about right and wrong. :)