BfC debate. in OD

  • Jan. 27, 2003, midnight
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In my last entry I stated that Bowling for Columbine deserves to win the Best Documentary Oscar because it has started debates.

I would like to offer the following exchange of notes between myself and Shukhevych as exhibit A. (Shukhevych’s notes in itallics.)

FOD diarist Lady Joss wrote a recent review of Michael Moore’s “Bowling for Columbine.” In his review, he explains that the campaign against Moore has already begun, and includes a link in that sentence. I was amazed to find the link leads right to this very diary! After much consideration and soul-searching, I Mark, Executive Director of the Shukhevych Institute, humbly accept the position as leader of the anti-Moore movement. Thank you Lady Joss!

First of all. You got my gender wrong. How am I supposed to take someone seriously when they cannot do a little bit of research (ie go to my diary, look in top right hand corner of screen)?

Secondly, I am not saying that YOU are the “leader of the anti-Moore movement.” Just that the stories trying to blacken Moore’s name have started. And if you think Moore is racist, check out [Lady Joss]

Stupid White Men and discover he is. He hates Whitey.

Thirdly, and lastly, if you oppose Moore winning Best Documentary all you are saying is “I don’t believe in films that make me think. I don’t believe in films that I disagree with (no to the First!). So award rubbish, not the film which has started a serious debate”. [Lady Joss]

Lady: I don’t oppose Moore’s documentary because it is award winning and makes you think. I oppose it because his argument that we need more gun control is WRONG. I can make an award-winning documentary saying Saddam Hussein was a Mother Teresa and also make people think….

BTW, I saw that you were a guy, but as I was writing the sentence, I looked back and saw “lady” and forget briefly [Shukhevych]

Have you seen Bowling for Columbine? Actually, forget that question. It’s obvious that you haven’t.

Cos if you had, you would know that Moore does NOT argue for more gun control in the film. He simply looks at the question why is there so much gun related violence in America?

That last note was me.

Lady Joss (NSI)

Lady: Moore still wants to blame guns for American violence. And the problem is that it DOES NOT MATTER. Guns are sometimes used in crimes… but guns are used 5 TIMES MORE OFTEN TO prevent a crime than to commit a crime! Guns are not the problem- in fact, they do more GOOD than harm. Why throw out the baby with the bathwater?! [Shukhevych]

Again I say it WATCH THE FILM. Nowhere in the film does he blame guns for American violence. Nowhere in the film does he say that he wants more gun control.

Once again I say that all he asks is why does America lead the world in gun related deaths? What is it about America? Is it music? Films? The news? [Lady Joss]

Percentage-wise, criminals in other countries use guns more often to commit crimes. America may have a great number, but that doesn’t make us the most danerous country. Countries that have outlawed guns or are very close to it, ie Brazil, Russia, UK, Australia have seen MASSIVE increases in crime. [Shukhevych]

Guns are inanimate objects, they are tools, and cannot be blamed for the actions of living, breathing, thinking persons who decide to use a gun for bad purposes. The only person you can blame for a murder is the murderer. [Shukhevych]

When did using guns to commit crimes come into it? That is not the focus of the film. And I do agree with you about the murderers are responsible for murder comment.

Unfortunately, the media does not agree with that. See the blame Marilyn Manson/The Matrix outrage after Columbine. [Lady Joss]

Defence rests, your honour.

Will


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