Email letter addressing the materialist, empirical worldview and why it is only part of the larger picture of life in Daydreaming on the Porch

  • Aug. 25, 2023, 10:44 p.m.
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The following is an excerpt from a writer who regularly challenges my own worldview and beliefs. This is a good thing, for it means that I am not mentally stagnating, but exploring and taking in a wide range of viewpoints.

One of his passages reads as follows:

…We are much better off today than when our myths were all we had to explain our lives. The knowledge we have acquired through strict research into physics, astronomy, chemistry, biology and a number of other scientific fields shows us that we were not created by mystical beings living somewhere in the heavens. Our galaxy, our sun, and humanity evolved though a long process and series of complex events that completely overshadow the simplistic tales told by our shamans and priests….

Our next step is to replace blind obedience to a religion or to a political entity, or a charismatic leader with analytical thought and a high standard of ethics. Giving ourselves over to people and ideologies has been a form of psychotherapy for millions of us for many years. We seemed to welcome any theology, ideology, or rhetoric which could assuage our fears and give us meaning and purpose or give us a worthy cause to devote our lives to…

Then, with perfect timing, I came across an article in “New Scientist” magazine the other day which contained an arresting passage which attests to the very pervasiveness of the scientific and empiricist worldview, which has so thoroughly shaped life in the past two centuries, reaching it’s apogee in today’s world:

Consciousness has two major components: wakefulness and awareness of both yourself and your surroundings. Many researchers have mapped the connections between nerves in the outer layer, the cortex, of the human brain that underpin awareness, but the anatomical basis of wakefulness – which is regulated in deeper regions of the brain – is less clear. Now, Brian Edlow at Harvard Medical School and his colleagues have mapped how 18 clusters of nerve cells, or neurons, that were previously found to underlie wakefulness in the brains of mice, rats and cats connect to each other in deep regions of the human brain…

My enlarged and edited response to my friend’s essay follows. I don’t always know what I’m going to write here. Occasionally it’s a reaction to something I’ve read, intended initially only for the writer. I will give a lot of time and thought to a piece of writing, especially if it’s by a friend or someone I know. Then, when I presume I won’t be getting a response, for whatever reason, I will rewrite it and share it with others. This only feels right after I’ve spent a considerable amount of time writing something to another that I consider important, and which is not personal.

T__,

“As always your writing provides a compelling read and a trip deep into the science-based and materialist worldview. All of your previous essays adhere to this empirical worldview, which I understand and can appreciate for its rigor and logic. I see how it has evolved out of the Enlightenment, just as many other worldviews have. Human beings have brains and minds, and many use them for purposes beyond evolutionary self-preservation and betterment. It’s evident that you have thought long and hard about how to make the world a better, more humane and peaceful place for all people to co-exist with each other. I wish I shared your optimism.

“Humans, however, are not the source of all knowledge, wisdom, ethics and morality, nor can they alone save themselves. My view has for a long time been that there is no real conflict between science and religion. God, quantum physics and biological evolution can co-exist. I believe that myths, ancient wisdom traditions, and the wide varieties of spirituality and religious experiences, and religions (See “The Varieties of Religious Experience” by William James), have as much value in the human experience as physics, chemistry and biology. Emotions, spiritual beings, other dimensions, and the wonders of “the other side,” are not necessarily composed of atoms and molecules, or our own universe’s basic building blocks of hydrogen, helium and carbon.

“The physical world which you write about and describe with such detailed knowledge borne of extensive research, is but one reality, one state of being, one universe or dimension, if you will, among countless others. Perhaps you agree with me about this. Can I prove it? No, not now. But that doesn’t mean these states don’t exist. Our brains have almost, but not quite, infinite capabilities, most of which will never be utilized in this life.

“Our senses, and even our stupendously vast mental capabilities, can perceive only tiny slivers of the other worlds that exist beyond our ways of measuring and quantifying them, or proving this or that through the scientific method, and calling it a wrap until some other theory or law of physics takes the place of previous knowledge. We are capable of so much more, but need access to the means of attaining the soul’s higher access to wisdom and Truth. If we rely on the scientific method to prove this, we will continually be frustrated.

“Yes, I believe we all have souls, however you want to define that term. For me, Christianity, despite the awful and ignominious human-based acts of the institutional church over the past 2,000 years, provides the ultimate answers I need, but have a difficult time accepting on faith because I am a mere human at this point. But the soul is immortal, and there is such a thing as “the grace of God.” By that I mean God is a personal deity, not something humans created, who is the creator of everything that exists and is yet to be, or even imagined. This is not a crutch or panacea for the many ills of our blighted human race, the dominant earthly species that is temporarily, but disastrously occupying a small evolutionary niche of time in the planet’s history. One can obviously see from what we have made of this world we inhabit they we are fallen creatures in need of redemption. The “universe” can’t redeem us, but God can.

“And, I will insert here that I readily acknowledge that science and empiricism have brought about vast improvements in our lives, but they have also given us the atomic bomb.

“I want to re-iterate my belief that religions and belief in God are not crutches for simple-minded or helpless humans, nor are they mere stepping stones in evolutionary thought, or even evolution itself. Psychology and parapsychology, religion, philosophy, and the humanities, are all foundational enterprises of the human mind, and far and away transcend their origins in brain circuitry and neurons, and chemical balancing acts, if that is even where mind comes from. The “big” question, “What is consciousness?” (And where does it come from?) has not been solved scientifically or philosophically. It remains the ultimate unanswered human question, although some philosophers, scientists, theologians, and self-proclaimed creators of “Theories of Everything” claim to have reasoned out definitive understandings of consciousness, or at least are getting close, particularly scientific explanations based on research and empirical evidence.”

As someone put it succinctly to me recently in describing the idealism counterpoint to materialism: When will they see that the Brain is only a sort of ‘interface’ between what passes for Reality in our everyday perceptions, and something much more vast and ineffable?

In conclusion, religion, God, science, Idealism, physicality and our own consciousness are not, and never were, mutually exclusive. They are all part of the vast, interconnected consciousness of our universe, and perhaps an infinite number of others.


Last updated August 26, 2023


Sleepy-Eyed John August 25, 2023

No proof either way but I think it's a stretch. But I don't actually know either.

Oswego Sleepy-Eyed John ⋅ August 26, 2023

One day we’ll know for sure!

Sleepy-Eyed John Oswego ⋅ August 26, 2023

I think we need idea of God, spirits, etc to comfort and imbue life into things, provide meaning and reverence. But I doubt that's more than a hopeful and essential to belief feeling.

Oswego Sleepy-Eyed John ⋅ August 26, 2023

Yes, all of that, but it’s not an idea, it’s a reality!

Jinn August 26, 2023

That last paragraph is profound .

Jinn August 26, 2023 (edited August 26, 2023)

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When you say, “ Humans, however, are not the source of all knowledge, wisdom, ethics and morality, nor can they alone save themselves.“ I think I have to disagree. We have in fact created and documented all the knowledge, wisdom, ethics and the very concept of morality that exists in our reality so far today . Whether that process was assisted by a “ Higher Power “, we can not know. Some part of us craves the inexplicable, the mystical . All knowledge has seemed to come about as we have tried to understand the realities and intricacies of the physical world and our emotional response to it. All collected knowledge has been and is vital to our survival , species prosperity ( not just in the monetary sense )and so we collect knowledge and record it. “ Emotions, spiritual beings, other dimensions, and the wonders of “the other side,” may or may not exist . In my opinion We flesh that out with our deep longing for “ something more “. There is no hard proof of the supernatural beyond our desire for it to exist and to try to understand it .
I do agree that “ The “big” question, “What is consciousness?” (And where does it come from?)” has not been answered scientifically or philosophically.If we did understand it ; all of our collected knowledge to date would make much more sense. Then we could possibly understand our place in the Universe and even why we exist at all.

Oswego Jinn ⋅ August 27, 2023

This is such a very well-conceived and thought-provoking comment, and while I disagree with some of the points you make, I certainly respect and understand them.

Our “deep longing for something more” is not just wishful thinking. It is, in my view, true that there is much that is hidden behind the veil of our earthly physical lives and present state of consciousness. If one believes God exists or “is,” then this infinite being or universal consciousness is actually infused throughout our being and consciousness, and that of our universe and any others that exist. We and God are one, in a sense. Obviously it’s very difficult to put into words “what” God is, and especially “who” this being or universal consciousness is.

Because of our limited understanding, and still very much evolving spiritual natures, God became human consciousness for a short time in the person of Jesus, who was and is God. That is why I think of God as a personal diety. Jesus gave his followers and disciples the keys to the kingdom of God which is consciousness, which exists forever, just ans we anre meant to. Other religions have had other emissaries and deities.

I am sorry if this might not be very understandable, but I am evolving in my own views of God and consciousness. These are the fundamental questions of why we are here, and so I long for and seek the answers , which are there for us to find.

Jinn Oswego ⋅ August 27, 2023 (edited August 27, 2023)

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Thanks for understanding what I am trying to say :-) I also understand what you are saying. The foundation of religion hinges for me on whether Christ existed and if he did ; what truly was his mission and nature. It’s does not seem a random coincidence that each big “ religion” has a “ Christ “ figure ; Jesus for Christians, Mohammad for Moslems, Buddha for Buddhism etc…Each is reputed to “ unlock” their follower’s consciousness and raise it to a “ higher” level . When you reach that higher level supposedly you begin to understand why we exist and what the purpose of our short lives should be. The key to achieving that level of understanding within an organized religion seems to require blind devotion and unwavering acceptance of a dogma created by other humans ( at least so far ) This is where I stumble. For example most of the Bible appears to have been written by extremely flawed men. ( The Koran , the same.) I find value in the Bible but do I want endorse it as the rule book to live by ? No. I do not want to hand over my belief to be sculpted by a minister or priest. I prefer my quest to understand life and whatever comes after it ( if anything does ) to be done on my own terms with a minimumof those influences . And so I read , I still pray to a Universal Being , and I search , knowing I may never have the consciousness ( understanding ) I crave. Life is too short ( also complicated ) and the mystery is too big . Just knowing we are Beings that are particles of stars , in this Universe , is both humbling and exciting . That may be the only truth that I will ever know for certain , so far .

Jinn August 26, 2023

I always have a hard time with the belief in the existence of “ God”. Do I believe God is some all powerful , angry, jealous entity demanding our unwavering obedience and worship ? No , I do not. In fact it feels instinctively better to me to picture a “ Mother” ; who has created and organized the Universe and everything in it. It feels correct to think we are just one tiny part of a grand creation .

Oswego Jinn ⋅ August 26, 2023

That’s a good way to put it. God is more like a universal mother than a father. The male referents come from the age-old, and always primitive, patriarchal systems of male dominance for all of human history, until recently, sadly and astonishingly enough, except for dominant female personages, as for example, Queen Victoria, whose power was inevitable in the succession to the throne.

I try to avoid most of the Old Testament except for the Psalms and Proverbs, because God portrayed there is vengeful and demanding of sacrifices that always seemed so barbaric thousands of years ago. Why would a loving God make such demands, even if they were tests of loyalty and submission back in those long-ago times. The God that Jesus speaks about is merciful.

synapse August 26, 2023

The pursuit of science and belief in God are not mutually exclusive. Churches and clergy have been responsible for many scientific discoveries. I think at least in the US we are subject to harsh anti science propoganda from some very loud religions that are so influencial it casts a bias in some non religious people that religion must be anti science. It is really just some big and powerful but particular religious sects which are that way, and not all of them. I'm an athiest and a materialist but I don't want the anti science religions to set expectations in what thiests should believe. so I think it's good that you're writing about religion and science coexisting in your worldview.

Oswego synapse ⋅ August 26, 2023

They really can co-exist in my worldview, and have for some time. Perhaps you know of the work Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, a French priest, scientist, and philosopher. His work and thought, which I discovered decades ago, is one of the reasons I feel the way I do about science and religion.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Teilhard_de_Chardin

synapse Oswego ⋅ August 27, 2023

I haven't heard him but I do remember certain better-liked popes alluding to ideas like this, perhaps I am remembering those popes praising him.
My favorite religious scientist is Gregor Mendel!

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